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Message: 1409129, 867 lines Posted: 10:00am EDT, Sat Jul 26/86, imported: 1:16pm EDT, Sat Jul 26/86 Subject: Delphi Mac Digest V2 #31 To: Peter_Johnston@UQV-MTS, MacTechnics User Group, John Dorsey, Gavin Eadie, Alex_Ranous@UB-MTS, Abraham Vanderspek From: SHULMAN@RED.RUTGERS.EDU Delphi Mac Digest Saturday, 26 July 1986 Volume 2 : Issue 31 Today's Topics: RE: GAMES AND ENTERTAINMENT (Re: Msg 7924) RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10624) RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10708) RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10704) RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10711) RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10744) RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10744) Finder point size RE: Finder point size (Re: Msg 10729) RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10712) RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10731) RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10734) RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10690) RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10738) RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10775) RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10785) RE: astrology (Re: Msg 10421) Modification to Apple License Agreement RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 10755) RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 376) RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 378) RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 376) Cooling fan RE: Cooling fan (Re: Msg 10757) RE: Cooling fan (Re: Msg 10757) HD-20 Missing Space? RE: HD-20 Missing Space? (Re: Msg 10760) RE: SCSI conversions (Re: Msg 10736) RE: SCSI conversions (Re: Msg 10790) RE: SCSI conversions (Re: Msg 10817) MaxPlus from MacMemory Inc. RE: MaxPlus from MacMemory Inc. (Re: Msg 10795) Power supplies How do I recover lost disk space? RE: How do I recover lost disk space? (Re: Msg 10804) RE: How do I recover lost disk space? (Re: Msg 10809) LaserJet Lightspeed C Editor RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 365) RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 365) RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 370) RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 374) RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 365) File menu and DA's RE: File menu and DA's (Re: Msg 366) RE: saving window coords (Re: Msg 351) new hard disk Modems with Mac+'s ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NICKDREXEL (10700) Subject: RE: GAMES AND ENTERTAINMENT (Re: Msg 7924) Date: 22-JUL 23:35 Games and Entertainment You are right, I think that I should write a letter or call them up soon.1n I am hoping that some of the programmer of Activision are the Delphi member. -But direct approach is sure much better. Moreover, I have to correct some information the Alter Ego program are consisted of : - Protection program 5.5 kbytes - Graphics & Icon 20 kbytes - Real program (invisible) 44 kbytes. Although this game is not "hot" concerning the way it treats my computer and hardware, I still like it. Oh! what a grown up boy.. Talk to you later Nick ------------------------------ From: FRACTAL (10708) Subject: RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10624) Date: 23-JUL 02:48 Hardware & Peripherals LoDOWN has been having trouble shipping units as fast as the orders have been coming in. I've heard about 30% to 40% increase in the last month. No, -there're not going under, it's just hard to find one of their drives because they are -in great demand right now! ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (10712) Subject: RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10708) Date: 23-JUL 04:37 Hardware & Peripherals I guess that's good news... I'm quite happy with mine, doubt I'll have the luxury of using your software (no tape). ------------------------------ From: DWB (10711) Subject: RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10704) Date: 23-JUL 04:22 Bugs & Features One possible solution to the problem of games exiting and rebooting the system is to boot another disk and look at the game disk. Throw away whatever it has on it called "Finder", especially if it's real small. There are several (don't remember which ones, but I think Wizardry is one) which just exit to the finder, which has been replaced with a rebooting program. They work fine once it's gotten rid of. One more suggestion, probably superfluous, DO THIS ON A BACKUP, some tacky bas---- may have put checks for it in the game itself... David ------------------------------ From: BMUG (10744) Subject: RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10711) Date: 24-JUL 02:26 Bugs & Features I'll give ten points for the person who comes up with the patch that stops the program from rebooting on exit....It's more less the same on all of those -types of programs...... Steve Costa/BMUG ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER (10746) Subject: RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10744) Date: 24-JUL 02:43 Bugs & Features What about just looking for a JMP (any address over 400000), which is what the ones I've seen do for a reboot. Replace that with _ExitToShell (if there can be a Finder on the disk). ------------------------------ From: NICKDREXEL (10747) Subject: RE: Alter Ego (male) (Re: Msg 10744) Date: 24-JUL 02:45 Bugs & Features Sorry, but this method will not work with Alter Ego. As far as I know, the Alter Ego Main Program (Clickable program about 5.5 Kbytes is a protection program. It does call the second program P1 (invisible 46 Kbytes) to run and show interfaces of game. Thus you can not throw away the first start up program and I am stuck with this catch. Thanks anyway, i will keep try several other methods. (If there is any?) Nick... ------------------------------ From: RABBIT (10729) Subject: Finder point size Date: 23-JUL 23:41 Programming Does anyone know (offhand), what point size the finder uses to draw the name -of the trashcan "trash" and logged disk/volumes. It looks like 9 or 10 but am -not positivly sure. THanks... Scott ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER (10730) Subject: RE: Finder point size (Re: Msg 10729) Date: 24-JUL 00:11 Programming Nine point. ------------------------------ From: OPPENHEIM (10731) Subject: RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10712) Date: 24-JUL 00:12 Hardware & Peripherals MacServe works fine with the LoDown 20. If they waffle around about delivery dates threaten to cancel your order. I did, and they shipped it the next day. Another user here (CUNY) had his drive die -- it just locked up while in use and later refused to talk to the Mac at all, growling ominously. He returned it friday via UPS next day (of course it croaked in the middle of a project) but UPS doesn't delivery next day to Scotts Valley where LD's repair shop is. The diagnosis (post mortem) was a bad motor and incorrect eprom, the motor being the cause of death. They shipped out a replacement yesterday. LoDown is a small operation as far as we can tell, but they were reasonably responsive in this case... ------------------------------ From: NICKDREXEL (10743) Subject: RE: LODOWN BACKUP (Re: Msg 10731) Date: 24-JUL 02:23 Hardware & Peripherals Thank for info about MacServe, but I would like to know about TOPS first because of price and ability to use multiple drive in the network. I hope that it will be as good as MacServe. Sometimes in the future I might have to connect my mac to the big blue compatibles (IBM). You know that it is difficult to get drive(s) from LoDown. Moreover, the -drive in the LD-20, 10, and 40 are not the same. As far as I know, 20MB caomes from LaPine, 10MB from some Japanese maker, and 40MB from SeaGAte. So, if I want the different size of drive for my next computer, I will not be able to anticipate the quality of dif. size drive with my LD-20. (I Planned to get 30 or 40 Mb for my next mac.) And I do not know how good is the 40MB SeaGate drive in terms of reliability and performance. Things are still in dark for end users as usual. I will drop you some new info later NICK ------------------------------ From: MOUSEKETEER (10735) Subject: RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10734) Date: 24-JUL 01:12 Business Mac As mentioned in Forum, I too would suggest looking over MS File. It isn't the fastest (can be slow in screen scrolling), most powerful (Helix and Omnis 3), etc. but is fairly easy to learn, flexible, and has some nice features for use on a mailing list. I've switched to Helix for most of my DB work, but still keep a newsletter mailing list on File (too lazy so far to move it), and a much longer customer mailing list on, ready?, DB Master/Mac. DB Master is probably the fastest program for adding listings I've used, though I don't even know for sure if it's still being sold. It was one of the first Mac database programs, and it's managed to run fine on every Mac configuration I've tossed at it. Alf ------------------------------ From: BMUG (10738) Subject: RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10690) Date: 24-JUL 02:05 Business Mac M. S. Works isn't going to be for 4000 people mailing lists. maybe 500 or so......It doesn't do anything really well. The word processor is the best of the lot... Steve Costa/BMUG ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10775) Subject: RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10738) Date: 25-JUL 00:29 Business Mac Steve, I think it's OK if Works doesn't do a lot real well, as long as it's easy to use and the _data_ can be imported to more powerful applications. The thing that is bugging me is the lack of a way to open _formatted_ Works documents in Word! Any ideas on how this is going to be solved (I trust it _will_ be addressed)? Ric ------------------------------ From: LOFTUSBECKER (10785) Subject: RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10775) Date: 25-JUL 01:43 Business Mac Do you mean Word 2.0 won't open formatted Works documents? ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10796) Subject: RE: DATABASES (Re: Msg 10785) Date: 25-JUL 14:48 Business Mac That's what I'm trying to find out! Ric ------------------------------ From: RAMARREN (10748) Subject: RE: astrology (Re: Msg 10421) Date: 24-JUL 03:13 Programming Sorry it took so long to respond. I and a friend are beginning a collaboration to do a nice Mac program for this: he is doing the astrology algorithms and I am defining an interface package. It would be useful to us to know what sorts of features you would like to see in such a package: charting options, querying, etc. So if you have any input, be sure to send it along. I'll be away for a week or so, so don't be too surprised if it takes a while -to get an answer from me. gdg ------------------------------ From: PEABO (10755) Subject: Modification to Apple License Agreement Date: 24-JUL 14:47 Business Mac As a result of complaints about the wording of the Apple License Agreement, Apple Licensing has modified the paragraph stating what you are not allowed to do with the software. I have posted the updated agreement in the database, -and here is the exact wording of the change: -------------------------------- Filename: End User Orig (text), first file. TRANSFER OF ANY COPY OF THE SOFTWARE MAY SUBJECT YOU TO A LAWSUIT FOR -DAMAGES, INJUNCTIVE RELIEF, AND ATTORNEY'S FEES. Filename: End User New (text), second file. TRANSFER OF ANY COPY OF THE SOFTWARE MAY SUBJECT YOU TO A LAWSUIT FOR -DAMAGES, INJUNCTIVE RELIEF, AND ATTORNEY'S FEES. YOU MAY HOWEVER, CONFIGURE THIS SOFTWARE FOR YOUR OWN USE BY ADDING OR REMOVING FONTS, DESK ACCESSORIES, AND/OR DEVICE DRIVERS. -------------------------------- peter ------------------------------ From: MARSHG (10803) Subject: RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 10755) Date: 25-JUL 18:28 Business Mac Scully says the nasty wording is for protection of intellectual property rights. I really can't blame him (or his lawyers) for that. He also is talking about distributing the new versions of the system/finder via user groups although the software won't be allowd on "PD" disks. Marsh ------------------------------ From: FRIED (377) Subject: RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 376) Date: 25-JUL 02:01 Software Supplement Lofty, I guess I fail to see how that change has improved my life. In any case, I really wasn't questioning motive. I know that change was written by a wonderful person. That's too bad, because now people are laughing at him. They probably do often, and he wonders if he perhaps shouldn't have gone into another line of work. He should have. But his good intentions make Apple look stupid. Can you imagine a real computer company letting their junior attorneys litter the landscape like that? I love my Mac. Garbage like that hurts Apple, and that jeopardizes my investment in the Macintosh. Despite the good intentions. What's the next step? An addendum that says: "OH YEAH, INITS TOO, OF COURSE." Sorry, Lofty, nothing is clearer now. Eventually, that text MIGHT be read in court, and a few MORE people will get their chuckle for the day, and the court will base its decision on something else, ignoring Mr. Gneiss. What Apple means to say is "All Rights Reserved." That expresses the -intention, I'm sure. ------------------------------ From: RANDOM (382) Subject: RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 378) Date: 26-JUL 00:16 Software Supplement Well, they may not be reserving all rights, but I'm not sure I DIDN'T have the right to install fonts, etc., before they issued that clarification. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that there is no way Apple could have sued me even if they hadn't issued that clarification (of course, in no one's wildest imagination would they attempt to do that). What people tend to forget is that buisnesses try to protect all of the rights they have under the law by writing up these complicated contracts, but they aren't necessarily legally binding in all of their ramifications. Just to give you an rather ridiculous example, if the agreement reads "If you use this software, you agree to go out into your back yard tomorrow night and cut your throat", you can use the software and you have no legal obligation to go out into your back yard and cut your throat (after all, what if you don't have a back yard?). To give another example, there are certain software packages that contain "shrink wrap" agreements...if you remove this shrink wrap, your agree not to give out copies of this software, not to use it for immoral purposes, to give us your first born male child, etc. Just because someone thought up this novel idea of agreeing to a contract doesn't make it legal. Of course, a couple of states have passed laws to the effect that this type of contract is legal, which I think proves my point-they had to pass a law to make it valid. Similarly, it is not clear that we are obligated to pay any attention to the Apple License Agreement (whoops) that was posted here. I'm sure this is the reason that Apple's laywers were reluctant to do this sort of thing (I'm sure this is why system software hasn't been distributed this way in the past). They obviously aren't worried about people modifiying their software for use on their own machine, or about distribution of the software to other Macintosh users (even though the software agreement forbids that). They don't REALLY care about that stuff. What they are really worried about is that someone is going to clone the Macintosh or modify the system to run on and Atari 520ST or something like that, and they are afraid they won't be able to sue them because they can say "Well, they made the stuff available on public bulletin board systems, so if it's already in the public domain, why can't we distribute it." That's the sort of thing they are trying to avoid. I thought that was obvious, but the way some people are complaining about the License agreement, maybe it's not that obvious. Let's use some common sense here, rather than dumping on the law profession (as much fun as that is - lawyer jokes, anyone?). Any reasonable use of this software is O.K., no matter what the license agreement says. But real abuses will result in Apple avoiding this style of distribution in the future, and we will have to rely on our local dealers again for software updates (my dealer is probably still handing out Finder 1.1g - and I'm in the LA area!) -Dennis D. ------------------------------ From: MACLAIRD (387) Subject: RE: Modification to Apple License Agreem (Re: Msg 376) Date: 26-JUL 05:51 Software Supplement The literature which law _students_ are "allowed" to peruse pertaining to the contracts regarding the purchase and use of data processing equipment look like a cookbook sometimes. Maybe in the case of this licensing "agreement" whoever drafted the agreement flipped to the wrong page, and unfortunately was not conversant enough with the use and requirements for developing software for the Macintosh to realize that an agreement IBM could impose on the purchaser of a large mainframe system was unsuitable for the purchaser of a small microcomputer because no user in his right mind could regard it as reasonable. (taking breath) This is the big problem: sometimes folks read contractural terms and -interpret them literally. We have to take the intent behind those terms and imply the agreement from that. Unfortunately, there's a problem: the end user could -not conceivably have agreed to the terms, and whoever drafted them did not show -the requisite degree of intent either! (hoping it wasn't _you_, Lofty...) _Laird ------------------------------ From: JEFFS (10757) Subject: Cooling fan Date: 24-JUL 18:34 Hardware & Peripherals Can anyone recommend one of those cooling fans out for the Mac? I don't need any built in surge suppression since my Mac is plugged into a UPS that takes care of that. If you don't have any recommendations, how about fans to stay away from? Jeff ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10783) Subject: RE: Cooling fan (Re: Msg 10757) Date: 25-JUL 00:53 Hardware & Peripherals I found the MaxChill from MacMemory to be virtually silent. I don't think -it's much different from Levco's (a piezo fan). Haven't done any temperature measurements, but I think careful placement should help remove hot spots. Ric ------------------------------ From: LAMG (10826) Subject: RE: Cooling fan (Re: Msg 10757) Date: 26-JUL 03:31 Hardware & Peripherals I can recommend one of the piezoelectric fans that go inside the Mac (I can't remember the name of the one I've got). They're quiet and the Mac really does run cooler, even though these types of fan don't move much air. -Franklin ------------------------------ From: KMWAGNER (10760) Subject: HD-20 Missing Space? Date: 24-JUL 20:06 Hardware & Peripherals I have some questions for anyone with an Apple HD-20 Hard Dirve. The HD-20 Manual saysa there are 39040 blocks on a formatted HD-20. Each Block has 532 bytes (512 user and 20 system). To me, this means there should be 512 X 39040 (or 19,988,480 bytes or 19520K). When I format my HD-20, it shows 32K used and 19139K free. What happned to the other 349K of storage space?? If anyone understands this "new math" i would appreciate a short course in it! Leave Email for Wagner Thanks ------------------------------ From: PEABO (10764) Subject: RE: HD-20 Missing Space? (Re: Msg 10760) Date: 24-JUL 22:16 Hardware & Peripherals The 20 bytes devoted to the system are called the file tags ... floppy disks have those too, but you cannot put any useful information in them. They are using by FEdit to recover files in the event of damage to a disk, and I am hoping that a future version of Fedit+ will be able to do that on the HD-20 as well (Fedit+ does not fully support HFS yet). As far as the arithmetic is concerned, the FInder uses K=1024 nowadays. This also accounts for why floppy disks have 391K in them now instead of 400K. Even after doing this arithmetic you will find yourself about 350K short: the missing bytes are taken up by two hidden HFS files called the directory Btree and the extents Btree. They can get larger if you have lots of files. peter ------------------------------ From: FRACTAL (10787) Subject: RE: SCSI conversions (Re: Msg 10736) Date: 25-JUL 06:17 Network Digests I've got SCSI driver software coming out of my *ss... (I've been working on an Adaptec driver for days and it's been getting to me). Seriously I have been developing SCSI drivers for several months now and have finally mastered it in all flavors (kludges for 64K ROM's, disk drivers, hardware adaptors). I have been suppling a universal SCSI driver/initializer to those who buy the Fractal -LoDOWN SCSI adaptor for a 512K (actually non_mac Plus) Mac. I don't want to give it away, but I will sell it to interested hackers for a fairly cheap -price (subject to some haggling...). Tom Hedges ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10797) Subject: RE: SCSI conversions (Re: Msg 10790) Date: 25-JUL 14:50 Network Digests You mean you'll sell us a controller and software so we can go get the rest of the parts for a do-it-yourself SCSI system? How much?! Ric ------------------------------ From: FRACTAL (10829) Subject: RE: SCSI conversions (Re: Msg 10817) Date: 26-JUL 04:01 Network Digests I hope to clean up my code and offer a formatter/driver that supports most ST506 disks and several readily available controllers including the previously mentioned Shugart 1610-3 (which looks like a Xebec 1410A subset) and the SMS/OMTI 3100 and the Adaptec 4000. Probablky will sell a diskette that includes MacWrite document (brief I'm better at programming than writing English), formatter, and kludge code for old ROM for about $40. Tom Hedges ------------------------------ From: UJL0012 (10795) Subject: MaxPlus from MacMemory Inc. Date: 25-JUL 13:40 Hardware & Peripherals I am contemplating the purchase of the MaxPlus by MacMemory Inc. Since I frequently use the Mac Plus as a Japanese word processor, I need to have a larger memory as soon as possible in order to load the numerous fonts necessary in Japanese. Since I will be visiting the United States this September, I am thinking that this might be a good occasion for me to buy the Maxplus. I have been looking around for dealers, users and other sources of information concerning it. However, I have not come across any of the above in Japan. So, I would be very grateful if you would send me any information concerning the MaxPlus. Junichiro ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10799) Subject: RE: MaxPlus from MacMemory Inc. (Re: Msg 10795) Date: 25-JUL 14:52 Hardware & Peripherals ComputerWare in Palo Alto (California) is selling the MaxPlus at a substantial discount ($350 instead of $500). We are still trying to determine the reliability of the unit. Ric Ford ------------------------------ From: MACINTOUCH (10800) Subject: Power supplies Date: 25-JUL 14:55 Hardware & Peripherals OK, I can buy 4 1MB SIMMs from MacMemory (assuming I want to spend the $$), but it will probably croak my power supply. But how 'bout if I just buy a better power supply for the Mac? Someone mentioned that they knew of a better one, and I've just been looking at a spec/price sheet from Power General.With a good fan and plenty of power, could we have some solid 4MB Macs going, without waiting years for 1Mbit chips??? Ric ------------------------------ From: BRUSSES (10804) Subject: How do I recover lost disk space? Date: 25-JUL 18:39 Programming [I'm new here! Hopefully, this will get posted into the forum correctly!] This afternoon, an application I've been hacking on "ran away" on me. Unfortunately, the application wrote a lot of data to my HD20 (several Mb) -and finally crashed. Right now, I'm currently unable to recover this space. I think that the bit-table which keeps track of allocated disk blocks has this space marked as "in use", but there seems to be no file which "owns" the space. (If it helps any, under Tops-20, this problem would be referred -to as "lost disk pages".) Is there any way I can (painlessly) recover this lost space? Thanks! Bob ------------------------------ From: JIMH (10809) Subject: RE: How do I recover lost disk space? (Re: Msg 10804) Date: 25-JUL 20:48 Programming Bob, back up the disk, init the disk, restore your data. how much simpler can it be (grin)? oh you want painless, i dont think so! jim ------------------------------ From: PEABO (10821) Subject: RE: How do I recover lost disk space? (Re: Msg 10809) Date: 26-JUL 01:30 Programming Happens to me all the time (but usually in small enough chucks I don't -notice). I got HFS Backup from PCPC so I could do backups and restores easily, and I'm quite happy with it. peter ------------------------------ From: HALL (10810) Subject: LaserJet Date: 25-JUL 20:58 Hardware & Peripherals Is anybody using a LaserJet on the Mac? How does it compare to the LW? What's the best driver for the LaserJet? Thanks, Brian ------------------------------ From: VINDICATOR (365) Subject: Lightspeed C Editor Date: 23-JUL 20:22 Tools for Developers I just started using Lightspeed C, and am very pleased with it. I do have some gripes about the built-in editor, however, that I thought some people might be interested in. If these were changed, I think Lightspeed would be perfect. 1) Lightspeed allows multiple open windows at one time, which is great. However, unlike many editors it does not support tiling, which I personally find very useful. On the same thought (and to me the biggest flaw in the editor), I was working with 5 documents at once, and had arranged them just how I wanted them. When I quit and returned later, the windows were no lomger the same size, position etc., which means I had to arrange them all over again. It would be really nice if Lightspeed had something like the Resume Excel feature where when you startesd work again all the windows would be where you had left them before. 2) The editor doesn't provide for the now almost mandatory "Microsoft double- clickable title bars", which would have been nice. I don't have a Plus (yet) -so I don't know if it supports the new window definition. 3) The editor doesn't check for balanced (,{, etc while you type. This would prevent lots of mistakes. 4) The editor doesn't support UNDO! Oy! 5) One great thing about the editor is its multi-file grep facility. When you invoke it, it shows all the files on the disk for you to choose from. It would be nice if you could press a button that said "Search all the files I've already got open", instead of having to search for them in the dialog box. These are of course things that I think would add o an already great developmeny system. Any other thouhgt on Lightspeed? ------------------------------ From: PEABO (367) Subject: RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 365) Date: 23-JUL 21:04 Tools for Developers Yeah, no UNDO is a killer ... but then, MDS Edit doesn't have it either. When I make a mistake I can't easily recover from, I swear at THINK for a few moments, then SAVE AS... something else, go reopen the original to get back what I lost and play cut and paste (carefully). It is not quite as nice as MDS Edit where you can open a read-only copy of the original while having the damaged copy open. LightspeedC edit does not allow you to open the same file twice!! peter ------------------------------ From: ASMCOR (370) Subject: RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 365) Date: 23-JUL 21:13 Tools for Developers Vin - No, it doesn't suppor the zoom box window on the mac+, and you are right about Undo. It's a workable editor, but not a great one. Jan ------------------------------ From: VINDICATOR (374) Subject: RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 370) Date: 24-JUL 19:42 Tools for Developers This is something that I just noticed about the linker. If you get a link error, it gives you a list of the variables that aren't Kosher, but doesn't tell you where they are. When you have broken up a program into several files (which Lightspeed certainly encourages), this can be a nuisance. It would be nice if the list would give the name of the file (and maybe even the function the variable was called from) along with the variable, ie File1:main():variable. ------------------------------ From: PEABO (379) Subject: RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 374) Date: 25-JUL 16:54 Tools for Developers True, but the multi-file search is very fast ... I found that most of my problems with link errors occurred while converting a program from a different C environment to LightspeedC. Once the conversion is done, I rarely get more than one or two link errors at a time. This may be partly due to the fact that it is so easy to recompile, so that you aren't tempted to put huge amounts of new code in all over the place between -compiles. peter ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (385) Subject: RE: Lightspeed C Editor (Re: Msg 365) Date: 26-JUL 01:50 Tools for Developers re no double-clickable title bars: GOOD! This is _not_ a good user interface on the Mac because not all windows can behave like this. Specifically desk accessories. The zoom box is the way to go; DAs can use it, and in a multi-program environment it indicates which windows can zoom and which can't. Your editor complaints are basically why I haven't bought LsC yet. I can't see giving up QUED for something that doesn't have inline assembly, which some -desk accessories need. ------------------------------ From: ASMCOR (366) Subject: File menu and DA's Date: 23-JUL 21:00 Programming Techniques Dave - and anyone else who has comments on this... Many DA's which use menus share a common semi-problem. The user tends to go for the File menu to save documents, instead of the DA menu. I've been tempted to dim the File menu when a DA is active (i.e. the front window) but I haven't done it just because I'm afraid it might cause problems I haven't thought of. It *seems* like it might be ok. Does anyone have any good reasons NOT to do it? Jan ------------------------------ From: DDUNHAM (383) Subject: RE: File menu and DA's (Re: Msg 366) Date: 26-JUL 01:50 Programming Techniques How about because other stuff is under the File menu? I'm in QUED running miniWRITER, and all the choices are usable except Close (for some reason). Most importantly, Quit. Also, you might have trouble identifying the file menu. For one thing, it might not be spelled "File" in other countries. ------------------------------ From: ASMCOR (369) Subject: RE: saving window coords (Re: Msg 351) Date: 23-JUL 21:07 Current Discussions Say Dave... As long as you're talking about Undo, how about a short discussion of the problems you've encountered along the way while implementing it? I enjoyed -your comments on DA writing in MacTutor, I'd like to hear what you've got to say about Undo. Jan ------------------------------ From: JOSEF (10820) Subject: new hard disk Date: 26-JUL 01:06 Hardware & Peripherals Now that i finally have a hard disk (a Dataframe 20), a lot of questions keep popping up for me. Three of the biggies are: 1.) Is there any way to link the same physical copy of a file into multiple directories, similar to the 'ln' command in UNIX? 2.) Is there a way to make both TMON and WAYSTATION be the startup applicaton? 3.) I have managed to get working copies of all my software successfully installed on the hard disk with one exception: SARGON III. Even COPY II MAC, Version 5.2 wouldn't do the trick. It's really very frustrating. I own a legitimate copy, and would appreciate it if anyone knows how to get around the problem. Joe ------------------------------ From: JEFFS (10835) Subject: Modems with Mac+'s Date: 26-JUL 08:50 Hardware & Peripherals I just had my 512+ upgraded to full Mac+ status. Now I notice a small problem that I didn't have before: When I exit MacTerminal it drops carrier on the modem! This did NOT happen with the 512+ so its in the new board and not the 128K ROM. I tried setting the modem switch to keep DTR on ALL the time but it still drops the line. Now, this may seem minor, but I often exit MacT to go to PackIt or binhex and I still want the connection to be there when I return. Any ideas? (besides use Switcher, the disk space is pretty tight.) Jeff ------------------------------ End of Delphi Mac Digest ************************ ------- Next, history, delete, reply, help, etc.? @